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constitution and not to grover norquist. what did grover norquist do? he took their quotes, called them up, he had conversations with them and he read them line by line their quote and essentially threatened them with primaries. he's the problem. if grover norquist wants to run government he needs to run office. >> you have people like saxby chambliss to indicate they were backing away from their pledge. grover norquist gets on the phone to them in the last several days and report of phone calls are that suddenly chambliss is going back a little bit maybe on what he had to say. so, i mean, do you think that his influence has waned? >> this is exactly what i'm saying is that, and chambliss is who i was thinking about. he threatens people. i do think his influence is reining. i think there's a crack in grover's armor and that's why he tried to shore it up last week by calling up people and intimidating them. it's time we hold him to task. he should not be allowed to hold the republican party hostage like he has. it's very irresponsible. do i think there's
constitution and not to grover norquist. what did grover norquist do? he took their quotes, called them up, he had conversations with them and he read them line by line their quote and essentially threatened them with primaries. he's the problem. if grover norquist wants to run government he needs to run office. >> you have people like saxby chambliss to indicate they were backing away from their pledge. grover norquist gets on the phone to them in the last several days and report of...
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norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made a commitment to your voters. >> still, democrats are heartened by the new grover is over mini movement. although they shouldn't do the happy dance just yet, because republicans will want payback, as in medicare, medicaid and social security. so for all of you who want tax hikes on the wealthy, what are you willing to give up in return on social security, raising the retirement age to 70, on medicare, a total revamp, as in instead of the government paying your medicare bills, you pay them with help from the government. you tell me. "talkback" question for you, w
norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made...
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i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents. anybody who is a student body president ought to be drowned. >> wow, strong feelings. >> did he sign an oath to that in that regard? >> the thing go grover, he's an entertaining guy and he does wield a lot of power. not as much as people said, but chuck todd said he's a symbol of absolutism. dan, what i wanted to ask you about is something else coming into the picture here in these negotiations is the debt ceiling. if that's going to be -- we're going to sort of come up against that a couple months into the new year, not at the same time as this fiscal slope. obama said to boehner he wants
i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents....
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. >>> another republican defies grover norquist and his tax pledge. he's "outfront" to explain why he did it and a month ago, a woman died when doctors failed to perform an abortion. her husband is now stepping out. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ female announcer ] live the regular life. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting through all the political spin. because for our 37 million members, only one
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. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded. >> they are in denial. >> they are looking for someone to blame. >> grover is no longer speaking for the party. >> they may not be willing to just die on this hill anymore. >>> good evening. i'm ezra cline in for lawrence o'donnell. the craziest thing is happening in washington right now. you've probably heard of the fiscal cliff or as lawrence likes to call it, the fiscal curve or as my friend calls t the austerity bomb. whatever you would like to call it, it does not look like it's going to happen. it doesn't just look like we're going to avoid a crisis. at this moment today, and this can change, it look
. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay...
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the circumstances change and you can't be wedded to some formula by grover norquist. it's who the hell is grover norquist, anyway, which is fighting words. >> i was expecting w. to say that. it was kind of cool, it was neat, it was massively rad being president. the interesting thing is as soon as a republican gets out of power, out of the white house, it seems that the next generation comes along and really mystifies them. george h.w. bush was mystified by the neocon hold on his son going into the iraq war. ronald reagan of course would be drummed out of the party for suggesting a 15% tax rate was too low. so there's a sort of evolution -- >> mythology is a different story. i think you're absolutely right there. this is this kind of nostalgia that is built upon corruption and amnesia. what we have to do is hold steady the notion that these guys were doing -- and lady -- were doing great things for america. we've got to deny every index that they were horrible, then we've got to reinvent them as great icons who are out of step with the bad republicans. >> i don't thin
the circumstances change and you can't be wedded to some formula by grover norquist. it's who the hell is grover norquist, anyway, which is fighting words. >> i was expecting w. to say that. it was kind of cool, it was neat, it was massively rad being president. the interesting thing is as soon as a republican gets out of power, out of the white house, it seems that the next generation comes along and really mystifies them. george h.w. bush was mystified by the neocon hold on his son...
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show kno
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height....
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grover norquist -- >> but it's true. you can hear it a thousand more times. >> it may be true to republican party, but the reality is in the cnn/orc poll just taken -- >> i understand. >> hang on. hang on. would you prefer a budget plan with only spending cuts, 29%, would you prefer a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, 67%. a thumping, thumping majority of americans would prefer to see cuts in spending and tax increases. but you republicans led by grover norquist are absolutely intransigent about allowing any raise in taxation, yet the american public want you to do it. >> listen, first of all, there's a lot of things you said that aren't true. >> well, name one. >> nobody is -- first of all, no one is opposed to increasing revenues by closing some loopholes, but they -- >> that wasn't what i said. hang on. that wasn't -- that was not what i said. that wasn't what i said. >> they want commensurate tax cuts -- >> hang on. you said what i said wasn't true. reince, come on. i have to stop you here. no. you can't put wo
grover norquist -- >> but it's true. you can hear it a thousand more times. >> it may be true to republican party, but the reality is in the cnn/orc poll just taken -- >> i understand. >> hang on. hang on. would you prefer a budget plan with only spending cuts, 29%, would you prefer a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, 67%. a thumping, thumping majority of americans would prefer to see cuts in spending and tax increases. but you republicans led by grover norquist...
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should the gop dump grover n norquist's tax pledge? lindsay writing when many took this pledge they were in i different time and place. they shouldn't be bound by a pledge that was right for a certain time period. in order to fix our economic problems, all options need to be on the table. >>> susie kaplan writes individual signatures so individual decisions. congress' allegiance is to all people, not one. and this is from mazy, if they are just for the ones he wants them to serve, they should not be in office. thank you for all your facebook and twitter responses there. >>> this week the supreme court may consider whether to take on cases relating to marriage inequality including a challenge to california's proposition 8. the high court's rule follows election day victories in four states for same-sex marriages. activists are trying to keep up that momentum. they're going ahead, looking at seven more states they believe they can legalize the issue in by 2014. their effort also include ace powerful new tv ad from the human rights campai
should the gop dump grover n norquist's tax pledge? lindsay writing when many took this pledge they were in i different time and place. they shouldn't be bound by a pledge that was right for a certain time period. in order to fix our economic problems, all options need to be on the table. >>> susie kaplan writes individual signatures so individual decisions. congress' allegiance is to all people, not one. and this is from mazy, if they are just for the ones he wants them to serve, they...
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grover norquist is here again. i promise you, it will be more lively than last time. >>> and the next chapter in the fairy tale. >> obviously we want a family so we have to start thinking about that. >> that was then, this is now. the royal couple, their baby news and her battle with a rare illness. plus, why it matters to the royal family. this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. you've heard me talk on this show time and again about gun violence in america, gabby giffords, trayvon martin, aurora, colorado, now the shocking incident on saturday. kansas city chiefs linebacker javon belcher shot and killed the mother of his baby daughter, then drove to the team's practice facility and shot himself in front of his head coach and the team's general manager. on sunday, that shooting prompted this extraordinary moment from bob costas during halftime of nbc sunday night football game when he quoted sportswriter jason whitlock. >> in the coming days, javon belcher's actions and their possible connection to footba
grover norquist is here again. i promise you, it will be more lively than last time. >>> and the next chapter in the fairy tale. >> obviously we want a family so we have to start thinking about that. >> that was then, this is now. the royal couple, their baby news and her battle with a rare illness. plus, why it matters to the royal family. this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. you've heard me talk on this show time and again about gun...
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norquist and the pledge. >> i admire grover norquist. i think he's done a lot of good. i signed that pledge. i'm honored to do it. i don't think in this case we would be breaking it by making what are temporary tax cuts permanent. i think we'd be doing the right thing. >> cole is trying to do him a favor by saying if we do this, it won't be breaking your pledge. therefore, your pledge still exists. i mean, that's about as big a favor as he can do him at that point. >> he's trying throw poor grover a lifeline. but i think the damage has been done because you've had so many people saying, lindsey graham saying i would violate the pledge, end of story and i think the american public has become more aware of the pledge, how much it's deictated republican policy. you're supposed to be answering to us, the voter, so i think that has in addition to the fact that keeping these tax cuts in places so unpopular, i think just the idea i itself of the pledge has become politically toxic. >> i want you to listen to one more thing cole said today about
norquist and the pledge. >> i admire grover norquist. i think he's done a lot of good. i signed that pledge. i'm honored to do it. i don't think in this case we would be breaking it by making what are temporary tax cuts permanent. i think we'd be doing the right thing. >> cole is trying to do him a favor by saying if we do this, it won't be breaking your pledge. therefore, your pledge still exists. i mean, that's about as big a favor as he can do him at that point. >> he's...
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grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to bring out grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. good morning, grover. [applause] >> you don't have your bag. he is attached to his bag. >> they told me it was too streamlined up here for the bag. >> thank you very much for coming out. can republicans raise taxes and not break your pledge? >> difficult. >> it's not know
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it is grover norquist! >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >> announcer: chatting with you live at current.com/billpress this is the "bill press show." live on your radio and current tv. >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome back. again to the "full court press." it is 33 minutes after the hour now. we're coming to you live from our nation's capital and our studio on capitol hill. and brought to you today by afscme the good men and women of afscme under president lee saunders, the largest public employee and healthcare worker's union in the entire country making america happen. indeed. you can check out their good work and find out more about what afscme's up to post-election at their web site, afscme.org. and we're very proud and pleased to welcome into the studio at this time, a good friend from california former speaker of the california assembly, now representing the 33rd congressional district of california in the united states congress congresswoman karen bass. congresswoman, nice to see y
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a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with spending in this country and how to make government more efficient. is it a fact by raising taxes we're just not going to have that discussion? >> yeah, i believe so. i believe every time you raise taxes it reduces the pressure to cut spending and i agree with grover on that i want to take issue on one thing you said to grover that i think is a little unfair. the vote we had last week, the job boehner plan b, which actually there was no vote -- >> you know, you've been saying, these guys are just following the instructions of grover nor quest. look, i actually think republicans made a mistake personally in not approving plan b. but you know, the people voted against it are the ones who said they were going
a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with spending in this country and how to make government more efficient. is it a fact by raising taxes we're just not going to have that discussion? >>...
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. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000. he was quick to highlight the break in the ranks with the republicans. >>
. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador,...
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doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the grover issue because that is convenient and interesting. and he's an interesting character. but the fact is republicans i think at their core and conservatives certainly are against it. i think the speaker moves with very -- he's in a tough position. on the one hand, he seems to be wanting to make a deal but on the other hand they have to remember there are primaries coming up in a couple of years and the economy may very well turn things around begin. we've been living in a pendulous situation where things go backward and forward. patience probably on the part of the republicans is probabl
doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the...
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david, you heard congresswoman bass refer to grover norquist. i want to play what he said regarding this ominous threat as described to republicans who may not fall in line. let's play it. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf ta tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> this was in reference to the president. he's threatening we will see a new, stronger tea party if we go off the cliff. >> yes. grover norquist also predicted an overwhelming victory by mitt romney and was proven wrong then, too. i think he and other republicans are playing a very dangerous game with their own political futures by failing to see the connection between this situation and the situation we were in around 1995 when there was a government shutdown. republicans thought they could drive this to the bitter end, and what happened? the american voters actually blamed them, the republicans, for what happened. i think it's a pattern in american politics when things happen that are, in effect, harmful government shutdowns, if you will, or breakdowns of process, the blame us
david, you heard congresswoman bass refer to grover norquist. i want to play what he said regarding this ominous threat as described to republicans who may not fall in line. let's play it. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf ta tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> this was in reference to the president. he's threatening we will see a new, stronger tea party if we go off the cliff. >> yes. grover norquist also predicted an overwhelming victory by mitt romney and was...
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limbaugh stands by grover norquist. listen to this. >> a friend of mine sends me a note and says, listen, there's going to be pressure brought to drive a wedge between you and grover norquist. >> i steadfastly oppose tax increases on one group of americans. if we're going to raise taxes, we are going to do them on everybody. i don't think everybody's taxes ought to be raised. >> now, is this what they are afraid of, grover norquist, rush limbaugh, governor? is this because they feel they have an undue influence on their base, especially mr. limbaugh? >> yeah, there's no question. look, every rational thinking in mrk, no matter what side they are on, they know that they have got to do something about the debt and it's got to include revenue. if you get rid of a tax loophole, that's raising taxes. he sent a letter to tom cobuln and said you can't do that because when you eliminate a tax loophole that's eliminating taxes and tom coburn sent a letter back sending him to pound sand and we need -- and i think representative e
limbaugh stands by grover norquist. listen to this. >> a friend of mine sends me a note and says, listen, there's going to be pressure brought to drive a wedge between you and grover norquist. >> i steadfastly oppose tax increases on one group of americans. if we're going to raise taxes, we are going to do them on everybody. i don't think everybody's taxes ought to be raised. >> now, is this what they are afraid of, grover norquist, rush limbaugh, governor? is this because...
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and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord's sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat for you re-election by throwing some coo-coo from the left or right on you and if that means more than your country when it's extremity patriots instead of panderer, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> tonight chris matthews delivers your daily dose of political analysis from the nation's capital. don't miss hardball with chris matthews weekdays at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern only on msnbc, the place for politics. >>> elsewhere on the hill, u.n. ambassador susan rice spent her day behind closed doors explaining statements she made back this september about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. however as brian mooar reports, her defense failed to convince her republican critics. >> reporter: embattled u.n. ambassador susan rice went to capitol hill to explain what they knew and now knows about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. but she
and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord's sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat for you re-election by throwing some coo-coo from the left or right on you and if that means more than your country when it's extremity patriots instead of panderer, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> tonight chris matthews delivers your daily dose of...
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, president of america's for tax reform, grover norquist. they do not appear to like your pledge. >>guest: well, some of the people who are being dragged out are retreads. there is nothing new about some of the senators who is said they would be open to tax hikes. remember the gang of six, three of the people that you mentioned, spent eight months sitting in a room with democrats pretending to negotiate we tax increases in return for entitlement reform and after a while even coburn had to walk out of the room and admit that they were being offered nothing but tax increases. the president's budget is nothing but tax increases. the president's negotiatorring position is nothing but tax increases and harry reid would some of the senators may want to focus their attention on has announced there is no entitlement reform, so to argue that the taxpayers should take the brunt of this battle and they should not defend taxpayers but the spending interests in washington, strikes me as odd. the effort by some to get entitlement reform, the democrats hav
, president of america's for tax reform, grover norquist. they do not appear to like your pledge. >>guest: well, some of the people who are being dragged out are retreads. there is nothing new about some of the senators who is said they would be open to tax hikes. remember the gang of six, three of the people that you mentioned, spent eight months sitting in a room with democrats pretending to negotiate we tax increases in return for entitlement reform and after a while even coburn had to...
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norquist or posts americans for tax reform we just don't know but i'm hearing a lot of things around town today as to what karl rove's donor might be let's just say some people are saying things course in real journalism you actually quote sources or you make statements of fact that's what real news does but there's this really neat technique to insert an opinion and an is the most people don't realize is something no real news organization would ever do it's called the some people say technique here's an example. some people say that this land undermine what the u.s. troops are doing there some people say some people say john kerry has some similarities to in the earlier massachusetts politician and some people say in light of what's happened with the oil for food program some people say supported by iran now called news isn't really a news organization so they can get away with this and this show isn't a news show it's my opinion so let me tell you what some people are saying here in washington d.c. some people are saying that karl rove's ten million dollar anonymous donation came
norquist or posts americans for tax reform we just don't know but i'm hearing a lot of things around town today as to what karl rove's donor might be let's just say some people are saying things course in real journalism you actually quote sources or you make statements of fact that's what real news does but there's this really neat technique to insert an opinion and an is the most people don't realize is something no real news organization would ever do it's called the some people say...
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. >> have you grover norquist. >> mr. anti tax himself. grover norquist. >> the president elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> poopy head. >> he actually said that. >> grover norquist or grover from "sesame street?" >> the fiscal cliff. >> move into high gear this week. >> taxes on the table. >> that's a given. >> some could be splintering. >> we know there has to be revenues. >> they really won't i don't think. >> i think that's a given. >> that suggests compromise. >> republicans might blink on this. >> you don't have to compromise values to come to the table. >> if there was a mandate, it was a mandate to work together. >> america has clearly said they have had enough. >> newton malloy gingrich has been in politics 40 years. 40 long years. and finally -- finally -- newt realizes he doesn't understand america. >> i was wrong last week, as was virtually every major republican analyst. you have to stop and say to yourself, if i was that far off, what do i need to learn to better understand america? >> form
. >> have you grover norquist. >> mr. anti tax himself. grover norquist. >> the president elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> poopy head. >> he actually said that. >> grover norquist or grover from "sesame street?" >> the fiscal cliff. >> move into high gear this week. >> taxes on the table. >> that's a given. >> some could be splintering. >> we know there has to be revenues....
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joining us now is grover norquist of americans for tax reform. you are the paramount opponent of any kind of tax increase. what do you make of that letter? >> didn't actually say tax increase. they said revenue increase. the taxpayer position is if you have more growth, if the economy grows 3% the year instead of 2% year for one decade you get $2.5 trillion of additional revenue. you want more revenue, had a pro-growth tax policy. take the top growth of 35 as obama wants to do upwards of 44 but down to 25. stuart: you approve of raising tax revenues if it is lowering tax rates. >> i am in favor of higher revenue from economic growth, not from higher taxes. what simpson-bowles has done, this is an attack on the president's position which is higher marginal tax rate, the pace to presents. stuart: that is your take away on this letter. >> somebody who wanted to argue for higher taxes could say i see revenue and there may be tax increases and he could design a tax increase you want. the business guys wrote something, they had a lot. they didn't come
joining us now is grover norquist of americans for tax reform. you are the paramount opponent of any kind of tax increase. what do you make of that letter? >> didn't actually say tax increase. they said revenue increase. the taxpayer position is if you have more growth, if the economy grows 3% the year instead of 2% year for one decade you get $2.5 trillion of additional revenue. you want more revenue, had a pro-growth tax policy. take the top growth of 35 as obama wants to do upwards of...
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allow their members to observe the grover norquist pledge and not raise taxes, which means they can't vote before midnight tomorrow to raise taxes. they could easily do that when the calendar turns into the next year. they could do that at any point, be consistent with their pledge and kind of walk away with their chins high. again, presumably observing some sort of line that the president supports about tax increases or in that case not having tax cuts for a few of the upper percentage taxpayers. that's something, again, that doesn't violate any republican pledge, so i think as a practical matter, and we heard this when plan "b" was pulled by speaker boehner, the perception is they can't allow themselves to vote for a tax increase. they don't want to get primaried, but come the new year they have an out which allows them to actually cut a deal. mitch mcconnell i think heinz what he says that he wants to get something done because they don't want to see the economy go into a tailspin. they read the same polls that you and i read which is that the president comes out way ahead these da
allow their members to observe the grover norquist pledge and not raise taxes, which means they can't vote before midnight tomorrow to raise taxes. they could easily do that when the calendar turns into the next year. they could do that at any point, be consistent with their pledge and kind of walk away with their chins high. again, presumably observing some sort of line that the president supports about tax increases or in that case not having tax cuts for a few of the upper percentage...
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republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult. but with each new republican disavowingi grover norquist, th chance of a deal rises sharply. >> apparently wall street is not as optimistic. stocks dipped immediately. the dow dipped 9 poi89 points. >>> house republicans have announced their recommendations on who will claire the committees. and they love white old men. there is not a single woman among the 19 members that speaker skrjohn boehner recommed yesterday. not one woman. although chairs for the ethics and house administration committees have yet to be decided. that would make sense. on the other side of the aisle, house democrats have not ounced their recommendations. politico says maxine waters has been recommended for the financial services committee who was recently cleared of ethics charges. >> bob dole recovering this morning after routine surgery. a spokesper
republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult. but with each new republican disavowingi grover norquist, th chance of a deal rises sharply. >> apparently wall street is not as optimistic. stocks dipped immediately. the dow dipped 9 poi89 points. >>> house republicans have announced their...
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we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the republicans and say, okay. why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not wanting to raise axes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senator j
we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the...
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norquist tax pledge. chris gibson says the pledge he signed in 2010 no longer applies since redistricting changed the numbers. he signed as a candidate for new york's 20th congressional district and said moving forward he doesn't plan to re-sign it for the 19th congressional district for which he now represents. okay. the opening bell just rang. let's get right to the market rundown. cnbc's becky quick is here. good morning, becky. >> reporter: good morning, chris. great to see you. we are looking now at the markets just opening and they're opening relatively flat. modest declines for the s&p and nasdaq. modest gains for the dow. that's a surprise today because when you came in this morning you might have expected to see a lot of red arrows. we have been trading almost in lock step with the headlines that have been coming out of washington around the fiscal cliff. when it looks like there is some movement made, when it looks like there's a deal that could be reached, you see the markets go up. when things
norquist tax pledge. chris gibson says the pledge he signed in 2010 no longer applies since redistricting changed the numbers. he signed as a candidate for new york's 20th congressional district and said moving forward he doesn't plan to re-sign it for the 19th congressional district for which he now represents. okay. the opening bell just rang. let's get right to the market rundown. cnbc's becky quick is here. good morning, becky. >> reporter: good morning, chris. great to see you. we...
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mike says i voted for barack obama not grover norquist. >> bill: nobody voted for grover norquist. >> really. and the president wanted his kids to see what a real bookstore looked like. >> bill: an independent bookstore. >> yes, and bobby says hey a lot of us share recipes and culture on instagram. maybe on pinterest, not on instan gram. i'm just saying i appreciate the sharing of recipes and culture, but not on instagram. breaking ball how about ep epicurious. >> that's another one. >> bill: so the republicans are still trying to sell the romney policies under a different name. cheryl is calling from wyoming how are you? >> caller: how are you? >> bill: good. >> caller: just a quick comment when we were talking about raising the tax rate. the superrich aren't paying 35% now. they are paying 14%. we need to close the loopholes if we want to raise revenue. >> bill: we have to do both. close the loopholes, but you are right, make them pay their fair share of taxes. remember the buffet rule? he has an op-ed saying there should be a minimum rate that the wealthiest have to pay. so they ca
mike says i voted for barack obama not grover norquist. >> bill: nobody voted for grover norquist. >> really. and the president wanted his kids to see what a real bookstore looked like. >> bill: an independent bookstore. >> yes, and bobby says hey a lot of us share recipes and culture on instagram. maybe on pinterest, not on instan gram. i'm just saying i appreciate the sharing of recipes and culture, but not on instagram. breaking ball how about ep epicurious. >>...
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you have people coming out and saying we don't have on a this anti-tax pledge with grover norquist, a senior republicans, people like bill kristol you have 12 new house members coming in who refused to sign the pledge. so you start seeing that and it gives the president much stronger leverage to get what he wants. and i think that if the republicans don't come around on and we end up going off the cliff there will get blamed for it. gerri: what do you say? >> i say let's take a look and what happened in november. our government gave the people of america gave the government to the status quo. we are back to where we started in septmber. the president has a huge do over, and it is his obligation to leave history this. republicans have said we are willing to talk about revenue, but democrats have to be serious on spending. so this idea that anne has the upper hand is exactly why a deal is not been done. the deal as on the teeseven deal is only as good a it is for both parties. the agreement is honored in the breach. the fact of the matter is the president wants to jump off the cliff. he
you have people coming out and saying we don't have on a this anti-tax pledge with grover norquist, a senior republicans, people like bill kristol you have 12 new house members coming in who refused to sign the pledge. so you start seeing that and it gives the president much stronger leverage to get what he wants. and i think that if the republicans don't come around on and we end up going off the cliff there will get blamed for it. gerri: what do you say? >> i say let's take a look and...
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grover norquist called it bizarre. one blogger saying a steaming pile of nonsense. then we get the follow-up twitter. why isn't that a backtrack? we talk about the troubles of the party today. >> because in the follow-up twitter, he doesn't retract any of those statements. he expands upon them. i don't hear where he is taking back anything that he offered. the fact it is coming from jeb bush makes him upset. >> he does go on both sides are doing this. at the time, he was focused in -- we were talking about women's issues. we might relate to each other as a woman and some of the things apply to men. he was talking about the problem in his quote/unquote family. not his biological family, but his party. >> i think michael is right. he did not retract anything he said. just because he expanded it doesn't mean he is taking back what he said. jeb bush is still consider ed a contender. many say jeb bush may be the v.p. pick. he knows when to endorse and when to say something in public. when to write an op-ed in a major national party. he picks his battles carefully. he kne
grover norquist called it bizarre. one blogger saying a steaming pile of nonsense. then we get the follow-up twitter. why isn't that a backtrack? we talk about the troubles of the party today. >> because in the follow-up twitter, he doesn't retract any of those statements. he expands upon them. i don't hear where he is taking back anything that he offered. the fact it is coming from jeb bush makes him upset. >> he does go on both sides are doing this. at the time, he was focused in...
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a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i were in
a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge...
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this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted? >> absolutely. yeah. it would be good. it's funny what an election will do. a lot of republicans are seeing the handwriting on the wall instead of the
this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario...
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everybody is saying we're going to walk away from grover norquist. all he has done saying, hey, you have enough money on capitol hill. spend what you have, and stop asking us. he has been a watchdog on our money. if you're democrat or republican you should be saluting him to a degree. he warns you in the past people who walk away from their no-new taxes have paid a price. >> he just said hey. >> stephanie: a lot of people who signed that pledge lost. [ ding ding ] >> thanks, grover. >> stephanie: here is the very soothing laura ingram. >> the sky is always falling when president obama wants to cram down legislation or initiatives without real debate, and without true compromise. here's my question for all of these wobbly republicans and democrats who tell us the sky is falling. where have they been for the last two years? the american people have been waiting for two years to have common-sense action. i'm tired of obama putting a gun to the head of the american people and republicans who say oh, what are we going to do? they're all wilting and runnin
everybody is saying we're going to walk away from grover norquist. all he has done saying, hey, you have enough money on capitol hill. spend what you have, and stop asking us. he has been a watchdog on our money. if you're democrat or republican you should be saluting him to a degree. he warns you in the past people who walk away from their no-new taxes have paid a price. >> he just said hey. >> stephanie: a lot of people who signed that pledge lost. [ ding ding ] >> thanks,...
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they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher income earners. you wouldn't tell somebody who is in the middle class that they can no longer take their mortgage deduction. >> no, i understand that. but the math, as bill clinton says, when you do just that, it doesn't added a up. >> we have to have rates -- >> we have to have -- anyone who is really serious and has looked at it knows that it doesn't added a up. tell us the deductions that you're talking about. that was mitt romney's biggest problem. and then i think it's also important to note that we've got to do something about military spending. we spend more
they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher...
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congressman yoder will join us a republican who refused to sign the grover norquist pledge to not raise taxes, never, ever getting back together. taylor swift. we'll get his solution. >>> delta taking a big stakes in virgin. fill lebeau, what does it mean for both? >> for both? delta, more business over to the uk, lucrative business. we'll talk to the ceo of delta in a few minutes. rick santelli tracking the action at the c mulch e. what was it like today? >> it wasn't bad. we're going to give this auction a hook, an absolutely dead smack in the middle of the curve c. there's some strange inputs in this auction. $32 million yields a .327, which is exactly in the middle bitten off on wi. so pricing is fine. if you look at internals, a bid to cover -- to find a lower bid to cover they have to go back to february. if you look at direct bidding at 24.8, that is a record. that's almost twice 13%. if you look at indirect bids it's almost exactly the opposite. 22.9 well below 32% auction average and lowest since may of '07. we walk away thinking not so great. now that yield i mentioned, .327 i
congressman yoder will join us a republican who refused to sign the grover norquist pledge to not raise taxes, never, ever getting back together. taylor swift. we'll get his solution. >>> delta taking a big stakes in virgin. fill lebeau, what does it mean for both? >> for both? delta, more business over to the uk, lucrative business. we'll talk to the ceo of delta in a few minutes. rick santelli tracking the action at the c mulch e. what was it like today? >> it wasn't bad....
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that's 170 guys breaking grover norquist's pledge. and that could be a primary suicide mission, joe. >> it could be. >> unless they figure out how to change -- that's why boehner's so desperately trying to come up with a way of saying look, we'll get you the same amount of revenue. we'll find it another way. just don't make us raise tax rates because he doesn't have the votes for that. he doesn't know how to get those votes. >> explain that. he can get it, perhaps, say by closing the loopholes? >> because he can make a more populist argument. you don't want these -- they're getting away with -- they're getting away with sort of chicanery inside the tax code. we're going to get rid of that. >> how about raising the capital gains tax 5%? >> well, i think that's -- that's something, if republicans are serious about that, i have a feeling the white house would be open to that. the white house -- you know, it's funny. both of them have drawn true lines in the sand in this that we haven't paid a lot of attention to. the white house said the
that's 170 guys breaking grover norquist's pledge. and that could be a primary suicide mission, joe. >> it could be. >> unless they figure out how to change -- that's why boehner's so desperately trying to come up with a way of saying look, we'll get you the same amount of revenue. we'll find it another way. just don't make us raise tax rates because he doesn't have the votes for that. he doesn't know how to get those votes. >> explain that. he can get it, perhaps, say by...
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but today the philosophy's main spokesman is this man, grover norquist. president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. >>> but in a last minnesota minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front, and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended fo
but today the philosophy's main spokesman is this man, grover norquist. president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans...
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this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current economic and political moment it is also a service if republicans prevent tax rates from going up. providing some cover there. have republicans effectively caved on the idea of raising revenue? >> i don't think republicans have caved on anything related to taxes. we do have to remember that it is possible to bring in more revenue without raising taxes. any time you stimulate economic growth that's going to bring in more revenue. i want more revenue because i want more economic growth. that's the best way to bring in more revenue, to fund government
this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current...
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you have these republicans who are pledging allegiance to a man called grover norquist. that's absurd. >> how do you assess, therefore, as a former cabinet minister yourself, how do you assess what's going to happen with republicans like speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell? how does the president persuade them to lay down their pledges to grover norquist and commit to the nation? >> well, ultimately the president is not going to persuade them. ultimately the voters have to persuade them. i think john boehner and a few others in the republican party have got to tell eric cantor and paul ryan and michele bachmann and a lot of the tea partiers in that party, if you continue to insist that taxes are not going to be increased on the rich, we are not going to ever gain or regain control of the senate. we're going to lose control of the house in 2014, 2016. we're going to become a permanent minority party because it makes no sense to most americans. >> hit them where it hurts. professor robert reich, thank you. >>> next, how far will the president go in the showdown agains
you have these republicans who are pledging allegiance to a man called grover norquist. that's absurd. >> how do you assess, therefore, as a former cabinet minister yourself, how do you assess what's going to happen with republicans like speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell? how does the president persuade them to lay down their pledges to grover norquist and commit to the nation? >> well, ultimately the president is not going to persuade them. ultimately the voters have to...
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>> schieffer: senator graham, since he brought up grover norquist, let me ask buthat. what about this idea? governor romney you heard him say he would not accept even one dollar in increased revenue for $10 in spending cuts, if that could be found. i know both you and jeb bush said this week that maybe republicans ought to kind of be thinking about this idea of this pledge of no new taxes under any circumstances. what about that? >> well, good question. what governor romney said is he would look at simpson-bowles as. simpson-bowles, the gang of six, the super committee-- even though it failed-- there's a formula that i think will take hold eventually. nobody wants to raise tax rates. not one person who has looked at this problem we have as a nation suggested raising tax rates. but tom coburn, pat toomey, the gang of six, simpson-bowles commission-- all said let's flatten and broaden the tax base. let's eliminate deduction, and when you ask him how many deductions? i think we should eliminate all deductions except interest on your home and charitable giving with a cap,
>> schieffer: senator graham, since he brought up grover norquist, let me ask buthat. what about this idea? governor romney you heard him say he would not accept even one dollar in increased revenue for $10 in spending cuts, if that could be found. i know both you and jeb bush said this week that maybe republicans ought to kind of be thinking about this idea of this pledge of no new taxes under any circumstances. what about that? >> well, good question. what governor romney said is...